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  1. BeeGuy
    December 11, 2011

    Newcastle were overly cautious in this encounter, with the outlet man Obertan reluctant to take the ball to the Norwich corner to give the attack time to catch up with him and set up some control. One wonders if AP has ordered him to run to the middle or if he is unable to hear his instructions, unwilling to carry them out, or lacks confidence that he can play the entire length of the pitch. Some answer is needed to this question.

  2. nufc.net
    December 11, 2011

    I think Pardew played two upfront hoping Norwich would defend. But without a leader at the every time they launched a ball into the box we looked like conceding. Colo is back next game so everythings rosie.

  3. William Barber
    December 11, 2011

    Norwich fan here – Thought Newcastle played some great footaball and should be commended for their attacking style and more especially the way they always tried to “go for it” regardless of the score. I thought Demba Ba had a great game, and will be a threat against any side – an inspired signing. One slight disagrrement is the excuse about your defence. Bottom line is that they were “bossed” off the park by two big strikers (who have scored against Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal and Man. City in recent weeks). Injuries are no excuse- end of. We have been playing without three first choice centre backs for so long that people have actually forgotten who our first choice centre backs are!!! We have had a right back playing at centre back since 17th. September and no one has commented on the fact let alone used it as a reason for our (pretty poor) defensive record. You were beaten by the better team on the day. I am sure you will go onto have a great season but let us enjoy our day!!

  4. William Barber
    December 11, 2011

    One more comment. On reading your report you refer to “the debatable corner” – (it wasn’t a corner by the way) but seem to gloss over the absolute cast iron handball which should have been a penalty. Secondly you talk about Dan Gosling’s “slightly rash challenge” being given given a red card, having received a previous yellow card. The tackle was a reckless studs up tackle and received a straight red (the previous yellow was an irrelevance), so please do not try and excuse such a shocking tackle in this way.

    • RD
      December 11, 2011

      Cheers for the comments, all.

      William – I’m not sure it was an excuse that I made about the defence. I did say that Perch and Simpson couldn’t deal with the power and movement of Morison and Holt, which they couldn’t. Also I wasn’t using injuries as an excuse, I realise that all teams have them and that was one of my pet hates about Souness when he was manager here. But, I don’t think anyone can disagree that Newcastle would have fared better with Coloccini and Taylor. It was the first game they’ve missed in the league this season so only natural that there’d be a comparison to be made of how Newcastle performed with and without them. Won’t be something that I say every week. Also I did say that Norwich deserved the 3 points as they were more clinical in front of goal. More than happy for you to have your day, you won’t catch any bitterness from these parts if that’s the way it came across!

      As for glossing over the handball, I was simply describing the goal scoring incidents, of which there were many and space was limited (!), and that wasn’t one of them. I thought it was a daft tackle by Gosling and he deserved a second yellow, but a straight red and resulting 3 match ban was a bit harsh I thought for what looked like a mistimed tackle rather than a malicious one. Was he not just going to block the ball and Martin came into contact with the bottom of his boot when clearing the ball? Just my opinion, as is yours..

  5. NepaleseRobot
    December 11, 2011

    It shocks me to see a Norwich fan on the internet, having been there myself I thought it was a bit like Beamish, an open air museum of a dark age gone by. Live and learn, I guess.

  6. AndyMac
    December 11, 2011

    RD I agree with much of what you say but Pardwho’s obsession with 4-4-2, when we have no consistent quality crossers of the ball, is somewhat baffling. 4-4-2 generally demands you feed the front two as quickly and as often as possible. As the Chalkboard images show, we failed to do that consistently on Saturday with either winger or full back and IMO Pardwho has to ask whether he should continue with that formation (when we clearly need to get good service to the front two) or change to suit the players he currently has at his disposal ?

    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/812/nufccrossesvnorwich.jpg/

    I also agree with Beeguy (about Obertan) who is presumably employed for his pace and delivery of the ball ? However yesterday showed a classic example of a player who maybe has quick feet but a very slow brain. I refer of course to the opening phase in the second half when Shola was free on the left and Obertan, just beyond the half way line, simply had to deliver a quick ball into space but he dithered and eventually lost possession. Later Shola had the presence of mind, having won the ball in almost the same position as Obertan, to slip the pass to Ba who did the rest.

    I also felt sorry for Perch and Simmo who weren’t given much in the way of protection from the formation that Pardwho played yesterday which IMO was wrong. Yes Norwich are a promoted team but they are clearly capable of beating sides at home who let them play to their strengths. IMO we played right into their hands on Saturday.

    One year on and Pardwho doesnt seem to have moved on that much in reality.

    • RD
      December 11, 2011

      Cheers, Andy.

      I agree about the lack of quality delivery to the forwards and also that if two forwards are going to be used then they need good service, something which has been lacking of late. I can’t help think back to another former Man Utd winger – Keith Gillespie – as someone that Obertan should be shown videos of to improve his game. Gillespie’s style was a simple one, attack the full back, hit the line and whip a cross in. Obertan has the pace to do the same but he seems to be lacking in either understanding, confidence or possibly overthinking things at times. Still early days though, yes he’s been frustrating, but he’s still a young lad and hopefully with a bit of focused coaching he can become the player that he was bought to be.

      As for the formation, it seems to be a favourite of Pardew doesn’t it? And maybe he thought that in matching Norwich’s formation that his players would win the individual battles and his team would prevail? Will be intriguing to find out how Ben Arfa is incorporated on a permanent basis and whether Pardew sticks with his 4-4-2 or goes to a 4-2-3-1…

  7. AndyMac
    December 11, 2011

    Yup RD I agree Gillespie was the classic “run down the wing and cross the ball” player as Tino will testify :) He, Ginola or Robert would be ideal role models but I fear SAF doesnt sell too many players who still have what it takes.

    BTW 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 would do for me and probably for HBA too.

    • RD
      December 11, 2011

      there’s few that Fergie sells that turn out to be mistakes – off the top of my head I can think of Pique and Rossi but he generally knows when to let a player go. Just have to hope that it proves that he was wrong to sell Obertan..

      I think either of those formations would accommodate Ben Arfa well, will be interesting to see how the team is set up next week against Swansea who play 5 in midfield if I’m not mistaken

  8. William Barber
    December 11, 2011

    Sorry if I came over a bit defensive, and fully agree that Gosling’s tackle had no malice in it. Still feel their should be “degree” of red card. Gosling does not deserve a three match ban. likewise when a keeper does a last man tackle (as per Ruddy at Chelsea) you get a penalty given against you, the keeper sent off and a one match ban which seems a triple whammy and almost always costs you the match. Agree you would have fared better with Taylor and Coloccini will be interesting how you fare without Taylor. Good luck with the rest of your season and keep on upsetting the “big boys”!!

    • RD
      December 11, 2011

      No worries William. Likewise, hope you have a good season and stay up which I’m sure you will

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